Atari 2600 Magnavox Odyssey 2 Bally Astrocade Sega Genesis Sega Game Gear Atari 7800 ZX Spectrum Library: Games. Full text of 'Compute! Magazine Issue 139' See other formats. Visual Foxpro Quotes from discussions~~~ . It is often compared with Delphi and VB.. All the variations on C (C++, C#, Java, etc) are more flexible and powerful (without considering data access power), but they take MUCH more code (and libraries) to accomplish the same tasks that can be done gracefully with VFP. Fox Software was a small company from Ohio I think that made a well designed, elegant xbase engine. Our company ran a multi- user business system on Fox that was comparable to a mini- computer system. Linux Software : Web www.spinics.net Sid Meier's Civilization V Special Edition Princess Isabella: A Witch's Curse. Headline Studio 1.0 Foxbase Dev 2.1.2 Multi Unix/xenix Firebox 10/100 Kit H/w Upgrade for Firebox 2 Flash.This was when everybody else would be happy runing Wordperfect with their single user DOS/Windows session. I think Java/Python/PHP have somewhat taken the limelight, but this illustrates that once you have a great peice of software, people will write other great peices of software that works with it. One programmer who wrote a retail system in Fox called it the COBOL of the 9. And I agree with you point - the software simply gets the job done. Often consultants/managers get lost in the . So everybody gets distracted by FUD, while the FPers keep writing code that works. But point also taken that RAD tools!= great design. It is a fine programming language and product development system that can fit into any future paradigm. The problems with computing systems aren't caused by anything to do with VFP, they are organization and systems management problems. And, even if MS does drop VFP at some point in the future, someone else will pick it up. View Charles Stepp’s professional profile on LinkedIn. Programmed under SCO Unix, Xenix and MS-DOS using Bourne Shell, FilePro, awk, C. IMO, a big reason MS has kept VFP . Imagine if MS dropped VFP and some other company picked it up - with a focus on making it stronger to compete with SQL- Server + something else? That's what MS is afraid of. In a nutshell, no other environment has the native data handling capabilities combined with a syntactically simple (which I think can still run db. III+ era code!) base language that at the same time is still evolving (mutating?) to allow for some real OO design if you want it combined with a decently friendly dev environ and GUI builder tools combined with a single point of sale and support that makes the PHBs feel comfy. Someone nailed it in an earlier comment when they mentioned that the user community is keeping Fox alive. The users have been so vocal and tenacious that I think MS has said, . Most of the time I point out that the new geegaws are already in Java, but it's never sufficient to make up for the lack of native data handling or GUI building.. Fox is a product MS got right in spite of their best efforts to kill it. No, actually, Fox is a product that someone else got right (Fox Software), which was then bought by MS. As opposed to a VB/SQL Server type solution where MS will clip the ticket on the number of seats the solution you provided takes up. I'm impressed by this. VFP is like the elderly uncle that just won't die and vacate the den. The more Microsoft tries to kill it, the more momentum it gains. Sites like Universal. Thread have . This is the difference between VB (which got effectively killed with . NET) and VFP - the people who use it. They're a vociferous, dedicated and almost fanatical bunch. But they've gotten their way every single time. They're on their 8th version now, going strong. VB only got to 6, and MS never really solved its problems (VC++ is a different issue - it's actually used by Microsoft so they can't touch it). Guess who's laughing now. Awesome, reliable product. The model of a loyal and thriving developer community. And doesn't have any idea of what to do with this asset! You can't imagine the number of times that we have been told by Microsoft to move to VB, VC++, Windows DNA, . Net, or whatever the flavor of the month is at Redmond. And I must say to those who think that VFP is simply the old Fox. Pro with the word . I program in Java and Python, and I have to say that VFP's object model is just as strong as either of those languages. I've written 3- tier apps against My. SQL backends with web interfaces, simply because the VFP object model makes programming business objects so clean and easy. VB had a faithful following, but it was always too big and too loud and too contaminated by weekend . VFP folks - they're the Mujahedin of Microsoft users. Trust me, you don't want end up surrounded in a newsgroup by six angry VFP knights in shining armor with issues and a grudge. Talk about flame wars. I'd have been born without a BRAIN. Things like the Class Browser usually stun them, and then manipulating My. SQL tables in an interactive browse, all from the Command Window, usually knocks them for a loop. I've programmed in many other languages in my time, but I still think that VFP kicks all their butts. I inherited a nasty Fox. Base app (yes, I said Fox. Base) a few years back which really didn't play well with modern hardware/OS/networking. I opend the code up in VFP, and it was running fine. A few weeks later, it had a GUI with no major code revisions.. And I don really consider myself a coder.. I was just a lone sysadmin who needed to make some things happen quickly. Never heard much about it after a year or so. Gotta love those hardware VFP users. MS pigeonholed VFP but it keeps wanting to break. MS marketing machine. But they can. never kill it. Microsoft isn't going to press the issue about running VFP on linux because it's clearly anti- competitive. They will, however, try to stop their DLLs from being distributed to non Windows machines. Microsoft's distinction here is absurd. They want to force developers to distribute MS DLLs with their VFP software so that it is impossible to distribute software to non MS machines without violating the Fox. Pro EULA. The suit was dismissed when it was revealed that d. BASE was secretly derived from a public domain mainframe programming language called JPLDIS. But then there was an appeal and the original trial Judge reversed his own ruling so the issue was never resolved in court, and the acquisition of Ashton- Tate by Borland included a provision dropping the suit. Borland's chairman at the time, Philippe Kahn, conceded that the d. BASE language is an open standard. Kalman (Bantam Computer Books)). Since VFP contains a lot of this d. BASE language at its core, we could argue that VFP is Public Domain at least in part. Of course, he makes a good argument for JAVA in TIJ as well, but JAVA falls flat on it's face in real world application due to performance problems.. We should. invest all our money in re- writing everything to .
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